(Phone
rings: It's 8:30 am L.A. time...)
Digger:
Hello Mary, it's David in the UK, how are you?
Mary:
I'm fine David in the UK!
Digger:
Are you a morning person?
Mary:
Not really but... what time is it there?
Digger:
It's 3:30 in the afternoon.
Mary:
Yeah, I just left there last week.
Digger:
Yes, it must be confusing. You spend more time here than I do!
Mary:
I know, which I love. I was thinking perhaps I'd come over there and
live, huh?
Digger:
If you want some advice I'm happy to show you around.
Mary:
When are you coming over here?
Digger:
I'd love to. With the economy the way it is at the moment I'm
lucky to get a trip in the UK!
Mary:
I know, I know.
Digger:
Did you hear the news about Jacko? He's sold-out 50 UK concerts
within 5 hours!
Mary:
Oh, how beautiful.
Digger:
He's running them from summer through to early spring 2010, but 50
concerts at the O2 Arena, formerly the Millennium Dome!
Mary:
That's great, because some of us Motown artists are coming over there
to tour this June and we don't have as much PR as he has! (Digger
laughs)
Digger:
I'm not sure whether you'd like to get some of the PR he
gets though?
Mary:
No, maybe not.
Digger:
I've just been playing some of your songs for the last half hour to
get myself in the mood and I'm standing up and moving around. Not a
pretty sight. Shall we push on with the questions?
Mary:
Sure, I'm ready.
Digger:
What triggered your musical career and when did
you know that music was going to be your life?
Mary:
Er, well actually I used to listen to rock and roll when it was very
early and I just loved it. Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers were my
favourite group. And I was in the eighth grade when I joined the
school talent show and I did one of their songs on the show. That
was the very first time and I just fell in love with it. Then I
met Florence and she told me about this group that they were going
to start, and would I like to be in it, and that's what got me into
doing this.
Digger:
Were you and Florence soul-mates?
Mary:
Well, actually not just me and Flo, but me, Flo and Diane.
Digger: Dusty Springfield and The Beatles were huge champions
of Motown, helping to establish a following for the music in
Britain. Why do you think that Motown was so readily accepted and
welcomed by the British?
Mary:
Because Dusty was the one who got us on 'Ready Steady Go!' But I think
that they were so into music themselves that they fell in love with
the Motown sound because they were really into rock and roll too.
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Digger:
On the first couple of Beatles albums there were several American
tunes, including Smokey's You Really Got A Hold On Me. So they were obviously
paying homage to those writers and performers.
Mary:
Exactly, exactly. Well, we were all kind of listening to the same
sorts of records, I believe. That's what it was all about - caught
up in this new rock and roll.
Digger:
Is Britain your second 'home'? It's a cliche question because
whenever American stars come over here they say they love Britain,
but in your case you're here so often that if you hated it that
would be a problem.
Mary:
I have always adored England.
Digger:
What sort of area would you move to here?
Mary:
I'd have to be in London. (laughs) You see because I'm a New York
person so I'm a London person.
Digger:
I'm a Londoner originally, born just behind Buckingham Palace (not
literally, you understand!)
Mary:
Oh I see. A real one.
Digger: The Funk Brothers were an integral part of the Motown
sound. How close were you to these musicians, both in terms of
discussing
the musical nuances and mechanics of a song and also socially?
Mary:
Oh, we were very close. The musicians and the writers and the
artists. If you've ever seen the Hitsville building it's very small,
so (laughs) we were all very, very close and it was like a big
family of cousins and uncles and aunts and dads and grandmas all
living and working in the same building.
Digger:
And all looking out for each other.
Mary:
Yes, and we would go on the tours together and the musicians were
just a part of the family like everybody else.

Mary

Dusty
with Martha Reeves

Rehearsals
for TV Show 'Sounds of
Tamla Motown', London - 1965
Digger: Following on from the above, a Motown song is
instantly recognisable. What would you say were they key ingredients
that created this unique sound?
Mary:
Well, everyone tries to explain that and I won't say that I have the
answer (laughs) but it was definitely the combination of all the
factors I've mentioned, the writers, singers and musicians all kind
of collaborating and all putting their unique experiences into it.
And that all combined and made it like the Motown sound. You can say
it was the tambourine or the drums or the bass or the singing but it
was ALL of those. And also Detroit was a jazz town, so lots of the
musicians played in the jazz clubs so you had that as well.
Digger:
There used to be a snobbery with lots of musicians who said
"I'm a jazz musician and don't like to play that rock and
roll."
Mary:
Yes, that's the way it was.
Digger: The sixties was a musical explosion on both sides of
the Atlantic. How would you sum-up the sixties and what do you think
was the legacy of the period?
Mary:
Obviously the sixties has been a model for the music that has come
along after. It's all kind of based on that, but that's the way
music is, I mean even the jazz. Every generation has its own sound
and the next one builds upon that. But I would say that the sixties
was definitely the most profound, in that music today is sampling it
(laughs) so it really inspired the music that came after it.
Motown musicians Robert White and
Joe Messina
in Studio A at Hitsville, Detroit

Motown musicians James
Jamerson and drummer
Uriel Jones
playing with the Earl van Dyke band
at the
Detroit club 'Blues Unlimited' - 1964
Digger:
Did you like disco?
Mary:
Disco was cool and it was fun but it definitely was one of those
things that took the soul out of music. But who am I to say that it
was bad? Because I danced to it.
Digger:
Sir George Martin said to us "There's only two sorts of music,
good and bad."
Mary:
Yes (laughs) That's sound.
Digger:
Who are YOUR icons?
Mary:
I grew up a jazz person so I like people like Sarah Vaughan and
Gloria Lynn and Nat King Cole, Tony Bennett, Tom Jones.
Digger:
Tom is having a renaissance these days and performing with all sorts
of new acts.
Mary:
Yes, he's really cool. He's one of those wonderful artists who can
really sing so that's the reason. A good singer and performer as
well.
Digger: What do you see as your biggest achievements?
Mary:
Biggest achievement? One of them would be to be in The Supremes and
to have twelve number one hits. And then my children, of course, I
adore my children and that was my personal achievement. But then as
Mary Wilson I've gone on and continued a career and I think many
people didn't think that could happen. I think that I have come a
long way since then, I'm not just one of The Supremes, I'm Mary
Wilson.
Digger:
Did you ever have any stilly stuff where people got you confused
between Harold Wilson's wife Mary and you?
Mary:
I used to get a lot of emails. (Digger laughs) Then in the early
days of the Internet people got a bit confused! They've got it
cleared up now.
Digger:
And what
would you still like to accomplish?
Mary:
I'm actually recording a new CD and I'd like to have a nice
recording career as Mary Wilson. Because I've not yet done
that. I'm recording with the Holland brothers.
Digger:
Oh, wonderful!

Songwriters Brian and Eddie
Holland
and Lamont Dozier
Mary:
Yes. And we should have a product out by the end of the summer.
Digger:
Recording in L.A?
Mary:
It's in Detroit, musicians and all, and it's all original material
so hopefully that will be a good legacy of Mary Wilson. All the
songs have been written for me. So I'm very happy about that and I'm
still touring. We're over there doing Wembley and all, Birmingham
and Liverpool.
Digger:
You didn't say Birming-HAM! You said it the British way.
You're an honorary Brit.
Mary:
No. (laughs) That's right! I know how to say it. It's like people
say Detroit, but it's really DE-troit. So to still be able to tour
is something I want to do because I really enjoy performing. And to
record and to do some acting too. But I'm pretty much doing
everything I want to do. I'm the spokesperson for the Humpty Dumpty
Institute - the unexploded landmine clearances.
Digger:
Yes. Tell us a bit more about that.
Mary:
Princess Diana fronted it as a spokesperson. She made a lot of
impact and I heard about it and I've been a cultural ambassador for
the State Department here and when they needed someone else I was
asked. And I was really delighted because my brother had been in the
Vietnam war and I knew about it because of that. And I enjoyed being
a part of it because it gives me something to do that's bigger than
me. Something that we as human beings have done to other people. So
I'm very happy to be a part of it and I've exploded some mines in
Sri Lanka and Laos.
Digger:
How do they do that?
Mary:
You know what, first of all we had to remove all of the villagers -
hundreds of people. And they have a squad of people who go in with metal
detector things and they bind them and then with protective shields
on they remove them very carefully to an area away from the homes
and detonate them. And I was able to do that - 150 of them.
Digger:
You mentioned about Vietnam and that was the American experience, but
for the British, although we were aware of Vietnam it didn't effect
us directly.
Mary:
Exactly, exactly - I learned a lot because my brother was in it. But
I do charity work alongside my concerts which gives me a pretty good
feeling about myself - being a star but also being a human being
who's trying to give back to humanity.
Digger:
What is most important to you in life?
Mary:
My children.
Digger:
Which of your recordings are you most proud of and
which songs would you like to have recorded that you didn't?
Mary:
Er, I hate to always dwell on this, but we didn't like Where Did Our
Love Go which was our first hit record. But that had a lot to do
with the style - we just wanted something funkier, but when it
became number one, hey, what could we say?
And
Mr Gordy was really cool with us and had he not taken a personal
interest in us we may not have become as big as we did. Because he's
the one who said "Listen, I'm going to put you with the Holland-Dozier-Holland
boys and if they can't get you a hit, well nobody
can."
Digger:
The man in the street typically doesn't know the writers, but there
are a few names like Bacharach, Lennon and McCartney and Holland-Dozier-Holland
that people do know and recognise. They're household
names.
Mary:
Yes, and Holland-Dozier-Holland SHOULD be, because their music book
is just ... Hu... HUGE. I mean, they recorded so many GREAT songs.
Digger:
Humungous! That WAS the right word.
Mary:
That was it. (both laugh)
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Digger:
Black music and black artists, both in the US and the
UK, have made huge advances since the 'pioneering' days of the 50s and 60s. These days, not only are they accepted on equal
terms but, in many cases, dominate various musical genres. Who would you cite as being the most influential people in making
the dream into a reality?
Mary:
Well, you know, the first I would say was Nat King Cole.
Digger:
Yes.
Mary:
There were many, many people who even today would go unnamed and the
vast majority of people don't know who they are, but who were like
Nat King Cole and out there in the Vaudeville days doing a great
job. But only the black community knew about them.
Digger:
Yes, they were sidelined weren't they?
Mary:
But Nat King Cole, people knew because of his TV show. TV's a very
strong medium and there were many like him but I'd say he was one of
the first greats. And also Johnny Mathis too. People kind of forget
a lot of the earlier pioneers.
Digger: What does the Obama presidency mean to you?
Mary: Well, again it's a dream come true, because when I was
growing up and our generation of black Americans were growing up, we
didn't have the same rights and privileges as the other Americans.
So having my parents s making you aware as a child that "You
can't do this because you're black." Let me tell you, we
couldn't do certain things. We couldn't go into any restaurant or
stay in any hotel like we can now.
Digger:
It seems incredible now.
Mary:
Back then, you couldn't do those kind of things because it was just
against the law. And many black people were killed. And people talk
about the Holocaust but they don't really talk about the atrocities
that happened to the black Americans who were hung and killed
without anyone even caring. So with Obama as President we can see
that we've come a very long way and there are people like my parents
who won't know that dream...
Digger:
That's very sad.
Mary:
.. that Martin Luther King talked about and put it out in the open
like that. So that it means that has come true.
Digger:
And for it to happen so soon, actually, you couldn't have dared to
believe that it would happen so soon. And it's great for the world.
Mary:
It's great for the world. Yes, it is.
Digger: Following your experiences at Motown, you have worked to improve
the rights of performers and trademarks for their names. What progress do you think you and your
colleagues have made in this regard?
Mary:
I actually have been a part of a group of entertainers where the
names have become so famous that other people have just picked up
our names and started using them.
Digger:
Like a kind of identity fraud. It's very common.

A
record shop window crammed
with Motown records for sale
- Martha Reeves looks on
Mary:
It is. And it's one of those things where people can go to a show
and see a group and not one of them are the people who recorded the
songs. Noone has stopped them and declared that it's wrong and they
cannot do that. So other artists and myself went to Capitol Hill and
we started this legislation called Truth In Music where we hope to
get a federal deal passed - we already have it in a number of different
States, some thirty I believe, to declare it's against the law. So
the goal is to get it passed in every State. I don't know why they
don't just go ahead and get it passed nationally. I have friends in
the government who could actually do that, but this is the way that
they've chosen to go and so hopefully it will happen soon. The other
thing I'm working on is with the Music Cares people and it's to do
with performing rights. Now there in the UK, you guys get paid every
time a record is played but here that's not so and we don't get a
penny. So we're working with congress people and other artists to
try to get that into law.
Digger:
I know a musician who has had millions of airplays in the USA and I
think he gets paid for those. Maybe it's different and he gets paid
via the UK system?
Mary:
I've no idea, but it would be very helpful to a lot of people,
especially to those who are no longer working. Their music is being
played and they're not being paid. So that's something we're working
on as well.
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Digger: What makes you laugh?
Mary:
I laugh at pretty much everything (laughs!)
Digger:
What makes you sad?
Mary:
Confrontation and seeing people hurt.
Digger:
What makes you angry?
Mary:
People trying to push me around!
Digger:
And what makes you hopeful?
Mary:
Oh, laughter.
Digger:
It is a good tonic.
Mary:
Yes.
Digger:
Just one more question. You continue to tour heavily - how do you manage to maintain
this gruelling schedule, where do you get the energy from and is it
as enjoyable today as it has always been?
Mary:
That's three questions, but that's okay! You know I love doing what
I'm doing and my passion is my work. So here's what I tell people.
You might as well love what you do, because you're going to have to
work and if you love what you do then it doesn't matter. If you're
going to work hard then do something that makes you happy.
Digger:
So what have you got lined-up? You were talking about this tour.
Mary:
The legends tour in June.
Digger:
Who have we got there?
Mary:
Let's see.... we've got The Commodores, Martha Reeves and The Vandellas, Mary
Wilson of The Supremes, we have The Miracles and Junior Walker's All
Stars.
Digger:
I wonder what you'd have said if somebody had told you in '63 or '64
that you'd be appearing with all these people again in 2009?
Mary:
I know! (laughs) I couldn't think that far ahead.
Digger:
Can I hear children in the background?
Mary:
Yes, that's my granddaughter and she doesn't like her hair being
brushed. It's okay, baby.
Digger:
Well, I'll let you go and have your breakfast now, Mary. That's been
fantastic and thanks very much for that.
Mary:
Okay, now you have the run down of the tour dates there?
Digger:
Yes, I'll include it at the bottom of the article.
Mary:
Okay David, right on.
Digger:
Don't worry, I've got it all organised here! And I might see you
when you come over in the summer.
Mary:
I hope so. Bye bye.
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Arctic Monkeys, Adele, Kaiser Chiefs and Mumford
& Sons.)
Ovolo/Clarksdale Books have more exciting titles in
the pipeline so be sure to visit our website
regularly.
01480 891777
admin@ovolobooks.co.uk
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| Fiona
Harrison - Britain's finest nostalgic soprano |
Website |
Fiona
Harrison |
Details |
Book Fiona Harrison now!
Britain's finest nostalgic soprano is available to
perform at any 1940's themed event throughout the world
in authentic and glamorous costumes.
Unlike most classically trained sopranos, Fiona Harrison
is much in demand as a cabaret performer.
Fiona prides herself on delivering top quality
entertainment which is varied and affordable. She
commissions the highest grade musicians to compile her
digitally recorded backing tracks, which are superbly
arranged and which enables her to work any where in the
world!
Combined with Fiona’s amazing singing voice and
impeccable presentation, it is now possible to book
someone with the know-how to bring the distinction of
Covent Garden and the West End to your event.
This is only partly due to her outstanding voice and
presentation. In the more intimate cabaret environment
Fiona’s appeal is equally due to her sparkling
personality, her amazing ability to engage with the
audience and her mischievous sense of fun!
Fiona offers a number of show packages including:
“Fiona Harrison in Cabaret”, “Magic of the
Musicals”, “Hooray for Hollywood”, “The Great
American Song Book”, “The Good Old Days”, “The
Best of British”, “Putting on the Ritz”,
“We’ll Meet Again”, “Don’t Sit Under the Apple
Tree”, “USA Stars and Stripes Show”, “Swinging
with the 1950’s & 60’s”
and many others.
fionaharrison1@btinternet.com
01525 370453
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| Vicki
Lambert - a tribute to Dusty Springfield |
Website |
Vicki
Lambert |
Details |
Vicki performs all your
favourite Dusty songs, including:
You Dont Have to Say You Love Me, Wishin &
Hopin, Son of a Preacher Man, I Just Dont Know What To
Do With Myself, I Only Want To Be With You, I Close My
Eyes & Count to Ten, Middle of Nowhere
Call: 01629 540671
or
Email: vicki_lambert@hotmail.com |
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| London
60s Week - celebrating the creative explosion that was
London in the 60s |
Website |
London
60s Week |
Details |
London 60s Week is an
annual festival celebrating the golden anniversary of
the 60s. The festival celebrates the creative
explosion from this special decade with London's past
& present creative talent.
London in the 60s was the city of the decade because
the young made themselves heard through their energy,
creativity and spirit. London 60s Week embraces this
passion while looking to the future. Our work goes on
throughout the year and culminates annually in a
city-wide celebration.
Telephone: +44 (0)20 8123 2940
Email: enquiries@london60sweek.co.uk |
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| VIPER LONDON -
Clothing for Geezers and Birds |
Website |
VIPER
LONDON |
Details |
SHOES, POLOS, SHIRTS,
KNITWEAR, T-SHIRTS, HOODIES & SWEATS, JACKETS,
SHORTS, JEANS, TROUSERS, DRESSES, SKIRTS, TOPS, LEGGINGS
Clothing for Geezers and Birds - Men's and Ladies'
Fashion
Give us a bell on: 0208 346 4411
We are open from 9.00 am - 5.00 pm UK time from Mon-Fri
If the line is busy please feel free to email us at:
viperlondon@hotmail.co.uk
Viperlondon
Unit D
Coppetts Center
North Circular Rd
London
N12 0SH |
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| Steepletone
Record Players and Jukeboxes - Jukeboxes & CD
Players, LED Signs & Pictures, Nostalgic Telephones,
Radio and Alarm Clocks |
Websites |
steepletonerecordplayer.com
steepletonejukeboxes.com
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Details |
On our website
you will find a range of Steepletone products for you to
buy. Our range includes Jukeboxes, CD Players, Record
Players & Turntables, Nostalgic Telephones, Radios
and Alarm Clocks
The remarkable changes in technology over the last few
years has pushed the Jukeboxes to new limits, now
offering 'No Moving Parts' music in MP3 format. we also
carry a large range of LED 3D Pictures and new LED Neon
Effect Wall Signs. Great eye catching designs with
simplicity of use that, of course, still offer excellent
value for money!
Steepletone Record Players. Listen to the classics the
way they were intended on our superb range of record
players. Many of us have collections of records and
cassette tapes, but nowhere to play them or easily to
convert to a modern digital format. Old record players,
if they have been used over many years, can actually
damage records, so it is important, if you wish to keep
your collection in good order, to use a record player
that is both high quality, and in full working order
(especially the stylus!) Why not transfer your old LP's
on to the MP3 format or CD using one of the Steepletone
CD Burners
You don't even need to connect to your PC and run
complicated software to do it - you just put in a
recordable CD and transfer the music directly onto the
CD. You can then either play back the recorded music
using the CD, or even transfer the files to your PC (for
storage, transfer to MP3 Player etc) if you wish.
Our Steepletone 5-in-1 Edinburgh Music Centre is very
competitively priced. Steepletone is a British company
that has been making high-quality audio equipment for 35
years, so you know you are buying a reliable product
from a reputable company.
Customer Services
GiftedGadgets.com
Midlands Distribution Depot
PO Box 9276
Leicester
TEL: 0845 390 1555 |
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| Jukebox One
Night Hire - You can create a little bit of magic at
your party no matter what the occasion |
Website |
Jukebox
One Night Hire |
Details |
Curtis Beauclair
Automatics Ltd was founded in 1958. We have now
been in business for over 50 years so you can rely on us
as an established company.
We first supplied jukeboxes to bars and clubs in London
and the surrounding area. Later we started
supplying jukeboxes to private parties. We cater for
everyone having any sort of party or event from weddings
and birthdays to company events. We have supplied
jukeboxes to many hotels and party venues throughout
London and the South East and we are recommended by many
as their preferred music supplier. We also have a
number of party planners and suppliers of marquees who
recommend our company. Our jukeboxes have been
used by TV and theatres in their productions.
You can create a little bit of magic at your party no
matter what the occasion.
Contact Information
Jukebox One Night Hire
Mr, Robin Rowe
99 Wills Crescent
Hounslow
MIDDLESEX
TW3 2JE
Tel: 0208 894 4463 Mobile: 07850881896
Email: cutejuke@aol.com |
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Mary Wilson interview. March 2009.
Many thanks to Chad Collins and to Mary
Wilson for their kindness and
help with this interview.
More information at:
Mary
Wilson website
The
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Humpty
Dumpty Institute
Motown
website
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