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Petula Clark interview

 

 

 

Digger talks to singer and performing legend Petula Clark, CBE

Superlatives are too often used for so-called stars, but Petula Clark's stardom and international popularity is real and totally unique and her output and career quite remarkable. She is the most successful British female singer of all time, she is the only artist to have had hits from the 1950s through to the 2000s, she has received and gained awards, (world) records and accolades in abundance. A recording and performing star as well as a truly international star of stage and screen, unusually being equally as big a hit in the U.S.A. as well as in Europe, particularly the French-speaking nations. Long before David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Prince or Madonna decided that re-inventing themselves was de rigueur, Petula was evolving many different careers as a child star, a sixties icon, a star of film and stage and a major live performer and multi-lingual recording star.

Petula was born on November 15th, 1932. By 1944 she was such a successful child star in Britain that she sang at the war victory celebrations in London's Trafalgar Square, having been a mascot for the troops. She appeared in many movies, mainly, though not exclusively musical, both at home and in the States and carved-out a name for herself as an actress and a singer of fine ditties such as Where Did My Snowman Go, The Little Shoemaker and the less child-like recordings Sailor and Romeo. 

She went to France and sang in their tongue, much to the delight of that nation and she was soon 'adopted' by the French having married a Frenchman. Hits in German and Italian followed. 

Come the sixties, writer and producer Tony Hatch and his wife Jackie Trent took a shine to 'Pet' & they joined to make many notable and huge international hits (including two U.S. number ones.) The trans-Atlantic lyrics of Downtown and Don't Sleep In The Subway as well as other hits such as My Love, I Couldn't Live Without Your Love & I Know A Place were all perfectly evocative of the sixties mood and well-suited to Petula's, by now, more developed and mature, pop voice. She had a hit with the Charlie Chaplin song This Is My Song in 1967 and was the first UK female singer since Vera Lynn in 1952 to have a number one in the States. 

Pet appeared in several movies in the sixties including Goodbye Mr. Chips and Finian's Rainbow. 

Many musical collaborations followed, some of which can be heard on her latest CD 'Duets', and Petula has consistently toured and recorded to this day. She has appeared in Willy Russell's Blood Brothers and Andrew Lloyd Webber's Sunset Boulevard, breaking several records in the process.

She was recently awarded the CBE (Commander of the British Empire) by The Queen for her contributions to entertainment and as an unofficial 'ambassadress' for Britain. There is a campaign by her fans and friends (many in high places) to get her to be made a Dame, a title that would seem totally appropriate given her considerable achievements. Petula is as busy as ever but Digger managed to catch-up with her after her recent Las Vegas concerts and here is that interview.



    

Petula as child star and in the sixties

Petula now


  

Digger: What was it like for a child in the war to be thrust into the limelight as a child star? Were you aware of the important events going on around you and also of your impact on the morale of the troops and public?

Petula: As a child I wasn't really aware of what a star meant and it was a very different world then, of course. Everything seemed to be in black and white. You know when I look back on it now it was all rather grey. 

Digger: When you look back do you really see everything in black and white?

Petula: Funnily enough, I do. When I see old movies in black and white I say "Yeah, that's how it was." (Laughs) I was a very musical child and loved to sing. I'm part Welsh and so the Welsh ... well they sing, they just sing! My mother was Welsh and when the blitz got a bit too hard in London, and we were living only just outside London, my sister and I we used to get sent to spend some time with our grandparents near Merthr Tydfil and we loved it. It was a different world altogether. We spoke Welsh and that's where I first started singing.

Digger: Have you ever sung in Welsh - I mean recorded?

Petula: No, I haven't - I don't know if I could right now.

Digger: Just about every other language but not Welsh.

Petula: (Laughs) I'm sure it would come back to me if I had to because it's in there somewhere... The impact on morale - I wasn't aware of that kind of thing as I was very young.

Digger: You were a kind of younger version of Vera Lynn for the troops, weren't you?

Petula: Oh, absolutely. Vera was the sweetheart of the forces and I represented all the children who had been left behind when their dad, or brothers or uncles had gone off to war. That's what my image was.

Digger: It is like a completely different world and difficult to imagine these days.

Petula: Well, it's almost like talking about somebody else. It's something that I don't talk about very much really. Only when people like you .... 

Digger: ...Stupid people like me ask you questions about it! (Laughs) Where does your apparently boundless energy and enthusiasm come from? 

Petula: I don't know if I can answer that (Thinks) ................. first of all, I enjoy life and I particularly enjoy performing. You can be feeling grotty backstage and be thinking "Oh God, I'm not going to be able to do this tonight." There are nights like that but what happens is that you get on stage, the music starts and the magic happens. Where does that comes from?........ I think there's an energy coming from the audience as well and it's a two-way traffic.

Digger: If it's a good night?

Petula: Well, they usually are! 

Digger: Looking at your career, it's quite superlative and exhaustive, with you winning awards, world records and achieving numerous milestones. What do you consider your biggest achivements to date and what would you still like to accomplish?

Petula: ... Crikey!

Digger: Sorry if that's a horrible question!

Petula: Well, it's not a horrible one (thinks)....... but quite often it's not so much the awards - the hardware, but it's the great evenings. I mean, last night here in Las Vegas was incredible. We had about 3,000 people and it was an amazing evening and I wasn't quite expecting it. (Digger exclaims surprise!)  Well, I wasn't expecting it to be quite like that.

Digger: They're particularly appreciative the Americans, aren't they? 

Petula: Oh, they're all wonderful audiences, but that's not what I mean. I don't know, it's just last night was a bit like the Olympia in Paris when the place was just exploding. It's those surprises when you're not quite expecting it that are the wonderful moments.

Digger: Are you nostalgic or do you tend to look forward?

Petula: I have been somewhat criticised for not being nostalgic enough.  

Digger: If that's the way you are, that's the way you are.

Petula: Yes.... but people DO get nostalgic about me. And expect me to feel the same way. I'm far too into today and tomorrow to look back. 

 

 

                             
  


 

Digger: Why did the French take to you so well, do you think? 

Petula: I think at the beginning... (Laughs) .... well, I didn't speak French at all when I first went there. I went there because I fell in love with a Frenchman and of all the places to go and live I think France would have been the last place I thought of. (Both laugh) I tell you, France is very different now and it's much more open to the rest of the world. (Laughs) But then, when I was first there in Paris and not being able to speak the language it was kind of tricky.

Digger: Daunting?

Petula:
Daunting. A good word. And then I did a show at the Olympia and everybody went "Wahay" and then the record company said I should record in French. I'm sure you know that story and my first recordings in French actually don't sound like French. (Both laugh) I realise that NOW. 

Digger: Can you hear the English accent? 

Petula: It was more accent than anything else! And the French thought it was very funny and quite charming. I think that was the first appeal. And I looked different - they'd had several stars who had come in from Italy and Egypt and these were dark haired exotic-looking ladies and suddenly here I was little and blonde and singing with this funny English accent and I think I was a bit of a novelty. And little by little the quality of the songs got better and I was able to sing in French better and I became their number one seller. 

Digger: They took you under their wing, as it were.

Petula: They DID. That too was a surprise and it certainly wasn't planned.

 

 

  

 

 

Digger: There's supposed to be this rivalry between the French and the British but sometimes things do cross over quite well. 

Petula: In this case it did.

Digger: Coming up-to-date a bit, can you tell us about your albums of the songs of Rod McKuen and the Duets album?

Petula: Well, yes, those are two very different albums, of course. The duets are mostly live recordings that I've done over the years with some really truly great artists and the one with Dusty we did recently. It was a tape of Dusty that had not been quite finished and she got some of the lyrics wrong and the notes were off but she still sounded great. I heard this tape and I'd always wanted to sing with Dusty and I always thought she was the best of us British girls. And so we went into the studio in LA and I recorded with her and it was an amazing experience. 

Digger: An amazing voice, a soulful voice, a black voice really....

Petula: Very much so, and we sound pretty good together I must say. I quite like that duets album, there's really really some good stuff on there.

 

 

     

 

 

Digger: And the Rod songs that you've made your own? 

Petula: Em, made them my own?... Some of them are really classics like Love's Been Good To Me and the things that Sinatra did. I've know Rod for many years and we've always said we'd do something together one day and yet it was very difficult to do this album (Laughs) because I was always somewhere else and we really needed to be in the studio together to do this. We didn't do it sort of 'over the 'phone', kind of thing which you can pretty well do these days. I'd say "Well, I'll be in LA on..." and we'd do three songs and then I'd disappear and come back and do two and a half songs some time later and so it went. 

Digger: You're obviously good friends so I'm sure it was nice to have a catch up.

Petula: Yes, it was great fun doing it. Fans in general seem to think it's a really good album, but it's not really for me to judge.  

Digger: Do you consider yourself 'webby', as in the Internet? 

Petula: I don't possess a computer and I think the idea of putting my own 'web' on and reading it would be a terrifying experience! I do know about the web sites though and Bonnie in the US and Terry in England and the fan club and they're lovely people. Don't get me wrong, I'm not turning my nose up at it all but I'm not the kind of person that watches their own movies and listens to their own records all day... And I AM on the brink of getting a computer - teetering. 

Digger: If I talk to you in a year you'll be like an old hand. 

Petula: I don't know about that, I've got to learn to work the darn thing.

Digger: Who do you rate as the best songwriters and musicians? 

Petula: That's difficult! I do think Amy Winehouse is pretty good, she's an amazing singer. I love Annie Lennox. There are so many great singers around today. 

Digger: Are you positive about the music scene today?

 


 

  

 

Petula: Well, I am and I'm not. You know it depends on how you qualify it. Longevity has always been something which has been the kind of proof of somebody's talent but I don't know if that's true these days.  

Digger: That probably leads onto a question I was going to ask later which is what do you think about the reality show phenomenon where people want to be famous for fame's sake and they want it without having earned the right and done the work? 

Petula: I do know what you mean but at the same time it's a great opportunity for young talent to be seen and heard, when there is talent. Otherwise it's a VERY tough business to get into.

Digger: More so than it was when you were younger?

Petula: Hmm, I don't think that you can compare and the whole world has changed. But talent does come out, I think Will Young is a wonderful talent. You can count them on one hand the ones who have come along and really done something.

Digger: Are we going to see you recording duets with Amy Winehouse, Annie Lennox and Will Young? 

Petula: I'd love to, I'd love to.  

 

  

Petula and Tony Hatch

 

Digger: Can you tell us about your musical collaborations with Tony Hatch? 

Petula: It was an amazing thing. Tony was contributing to my French recordings for quite a while - not choosing the songs and the material but he was actually in the studio putting it together and then he presented me with this song Downtown and we had no idea...

Digger: It was just the melody wasn't it?

Petula: Well, he had a title and one or two lines and the melody was so strong I said that if he could write a lyric as strong as that melody I would love to go in and record it. I hadn't recorded in English for quite a while. I was recording in French and German and Italian and so we went in and did this and we recorded live with the orchestra and it was just a great record. We knew we'd made a great record but we didn't know we'd made a monster record and the wonderful thing about Tony was that he just kept writing these songs. He'd sit down at the piano and play Don't Sleep In The Subway and I would fall in love with it and he would write I Couldn't Live Without Your Love and I would fall in love with it (Both laugh)  

Digger: Did you find yourself whistling or humming the tunes?

 

 

  
Peter O'Toole

Jacques Brel
  
  
Dusty Springfield

Fred Astaire

 

 

Petula: Yes, they were very catchy tunes as were his orchestrations and he was producing too. 

Digger: I have been whistling the tunes over the last couple of days while preparing for this interview and it's been driving my girlfriend mad. 

Petula: (Laughs) Sorry about that!  

Digger: It's only because when I whistle I sound like an old builder. 

Petula: Yes, you don't hear many songs that builders can whistle today.

Digger: You've had a number of different careers, as it were. Which has given you the most satisfaction?

Petula: They're all so different. You know I enjoy a lot of it. Recording is such a technical thing these days with computers and so on. There are advantages of course but I prefer live performance best of all.

Digger: The Tony Hatch live recordings generated something special. 

Petula: Yes they did. There's something joyful about his songs, apart from the hits he wrote many other songs which I think deserved to be hits but they were overshadowed by the other songs but even his more thoughtful perhaps melancholic songs were beautiful - he's just a great writer.

Digger: You mention the joyful thing and one of my American friends asked me to ask you if you see yourself as a positive person because your music seems so positive?

Petula: Yes, but how can I put this. I'm a Scorpio. I am a realist and I know what's going on and the dangers and tragedies that can turn up at the drop of a hat. My defence against all that stuff is to think positive and ward it all off if possible.

Digger: Does Britain recognise and appreciate its stars as much as the Americans and Europeans do? I think the British are a bit apathetic and blasé. 

Petula: Well, maybe. The Americans love success and they celebrate it. They give you a standing ovation just for turning up. (Laughs) British audiences..... they're a bit more difficult but it's kind of worth the effort.

Digger: Can I ask you a very specific question? You worked with producer Joe Meek. 

Petula: Yes.

Digger: Did you ever record at his Holloway Road flat? He recorded a lot of his hits there with musicians crammed into the various rooms, such as The Tornadoes.

Petula: No, I recorded at the studios.  

Digger: Can you tell us about current and future projects?

 

 

  
Julie Andrews

Rod McKuen
  
  
Sacha Distel

Joe Meek

 

 

Petula: I'm in Vegas as we speak and flying back to London tonight. There's an anniversary of The Sound Of Music next week which I'm going to attend which of course is not the performance but I think it's going to be a lot of fun. And then I'm doing some concerts in ... where am I? Canterbury and Chichester and Ipswich. Then I've got some more concerts later in the year but I can't tell you what they are - best to look at the website petulaclark.net

Digger: Just one more question Petula. I have a list of people with whom you have worked. Can you describe them each in a few words?

Petula: I'll try...

Tony Hatch. Love him. Respect him and we see each other from time to time and he's just a superb songwriter.

Julie Andrews: Yes. I see Julie from time to time and she remembers those days very well when we were kids together back in WWII and she reminds me about lots of stuff.

Tommy Steele: I worked with Tommy on Finian's Rainbow and quite frankly I haven't seen much of him since. 

Fred Astaire: Well, Fred!... I don't think you've got enough space.

Tony Newley: My darling Tony. How I loved him. I had a big crush on him when we were kids and we were sort of soul mates in a strange way. We shared a lot together and we performed together in Vegas and I'm very sad when I think he's not with us anymore. I can't quite believe it.

Rod McKuen:  I've worked recently with Rod and got to know him a lot better. When you're in a studio for hours on end you really get to know someone and he's funny and intelligent and poetic and I adore him.

Dusty Springfield: Well Dusty and I we didn't really know each other very well although we did share a dressing room once in San Remo in Italy but we didn't really know each other at all. And because we were, I suppose at the time, not exactly rivals but sort of treated that way. So we never appeared on the same show together apart from that Italian show. We moved in different circles and I wish I had known Dusty better.

Andrew Lloyd Webber: Yes, it's very interesting he's turned into a TV star in the last few years which is kind of surprising. We have met a lot of times and got along fine and I have great respect for what he's done for the musical theatre and it always gives me pleasure to do a song from Sunset Boulevard in my show.

Willy Russell: He's deeply talented and Blood Brothers is one of those shows that seems as if it's going to go on as long as The Mousetrap. I still do something from Blood Brothers in my show and each time I sing Tell Me It's Not True I can FEEL the character from Blood Brothers really deeply.

Joe Meek: I don't know what I can say but he was a very talented man.

Peter O'Toole: Obviously he was a great actor but we had such fun doing Goodbye Mr Chips. He LOVED archaeology like I do and when we were in Italy in Pompeii we were just in heaven. And I have seen him a few times since and we both had such wonderful memories of making that movie.

Serge Gainsbourg: Ah Serge! Well, I first met Serge in my living room in Paris. He came over to play something to me. He wasn't yet the sort of, as they say in French, 'Gasbar' - he changed, his whole personality changed at one point but he was always a great songwriter and I loved all his recordings. He was very very shy and it took him a couple of beers actually to loosen up. He became a man with this kind of unwashed and 'out of it' kind of look but he wasn't like that when I first met him and he wrote three beautiful songs for me. 

 

Digger: Am I right that Jacques Brel wrote something for you as well?

Yes, he did he wrote a song called Un Enfant which means a child and he gave it to me as a gift for the birth of one of our children. And I was on tour with Jacques in Belgium. So it was just the two of us and I had this unique opportunity to see him and hear him every night. And it was an education.

Sacha Distel: Sacha was a real friend. We used to ski together. He had a place in the French alps (Francine still does, of course) and used to come to dinner with us and we did TV shows together and we were almost like a double act. Not just singing but sketches and silly things and it was hugely popular with French audiences and great fun. 

 

Digger: He seemed like an Anglophile.

Petula: He spoke very good English.

Dean Martin: Dean was.... (Thinks) it would be nice to have some people who were still alive!! (Digger laughs and apologises) I adored Dean. I did the show many times with Dean and I did it virtually without rehearsal the way he did it and after a while the crew and producer realised I was very fast and didn't need too much rehearsal and a lot of people thought we were having a 'thing'. There was no truth in it but there was a twinkle in his eye for me, let's put it that way. 

 

 

  
Tommy Steele

Dean Martin
  
  
Andrew Lloyd Webber

Anthony Newley
  

 

 

Harry Belafonte: Well, Harry and I went through that experience when he was on my TV show in America which you probably know about.... (Editor's note. Incredibly, in the sixties the sponsor for her show demanded that part of the show be re-recorded before broadcast because Petula had touched Harry Belafonte's arm affectionately. Petula and the producers refused and the show was transmitted with the gesture intact.)

 

Digger: Funnily enough, you share something similar with Dusty there because when she toured South Africa in the sixties she refused to sing to segregated audiences and was thrown out.

 

 

  
Serge Gainsbourg

Harry Belafonte

 

 

Yes, I went to South Africa at that time and my musical director was black and we ran into some problems. You know that's the way I felt about things and still do, so Harry and I we see each other from time to time in New York and there's a very special connection there. 

Digger: That's the final person on the list you'll be glad to hear. (Petula laughs) It's been a real pleasure Petula and thank you for your time and help. It was much appreciated and have a safe journey back to the UK. You might even hear me shouting from the audience at the Ipswich gig.

Petula: Well as long as it's not rude.

Digger: Many thanks again.

Petula: It was a pleasure.

 

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Website Lisa Martin
Details Lisa Martin has performed all around the world, to rave reviews.

Singing pop, jazz, soul and standards, this dynamic and versatile young lady is currently based in Glasgow, Scotland, where she performs at functions, weddings and other corporate events. Lisa is suitable for all occasions, perfuming a high-class cabaret or a lively dance spot to suit any audience.  She also specialises in nostalgic tribute shows, including a 1940s wartime show and a 1950s 'swing' show. These shows can be presented individually, or combined in a 'decades' style show, with an optional 60s/70s dance spot if required.

lisamartinmusic@gmail.com

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My big thanks to Petula Clark for the interview and to Jim Pierson and Richard Harries for arranging it for me/helping with information. October 2007.

For further reference:

www.petulaclark.net

www.imdb.com

 


Petula Clark interview. October 2007.

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