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Digger talks to star of Please Sir!,
The Fenn Street Gang and Carry On movies, Carol Hawkins
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Carol
Hawkins is an actress beauty who came to fame in the
phenomenally successful 1970's TV series Please Sir! (which
was inspired by the 1960s film To Sir With Love.) Carol
played the sexy Sharon, girlfriend of Eric Duffy, and every
schoolboy at the time had a big crush on her, including me.
The series had some great characters, the bumbling but
popular Hedges, the dopey Dennis, cool Duffy, lovestruck
Maureen and dolly bird Sharon. The success of this series
spawned a further new series about the kids after they had
left Fenn Street school called The Fenn Street Gang.
Carol
played Sharon Eversley just right - she was sexy but had
strength and humour. In fact, a theme of that show was
that the
women characters such as Maureen, Deputy Head Doris
Ewell and Sharon were the strong ones while most of the
men - Frankie
Abbott, Hedges, caretaker Potter and Headmaster Cromwell
were weak, feeble, dopey or useless!
Carol
appeared in a number of comedy roles in the seventies,
including two 'Carry Ons', a 'Confessions' movie and an 'Up
Pompeii' on the big screen. She appeared with most of the
big names of British comedy at that time.
Her Internet Movie Database review describes her as Blonde,
beautiful and extremely likeable, and I wouldn't argue with
that description. It was as a result of her popularity with
the audience and with the producers of Carry on Abroad that
she was called back for Carry on Behind. However, the
mid-to-late seventies saw a big decline in home-produced
films. Thus, Carol was seen mainly from that point on TV in
comedy and drama roles, including Porridge, Robin's Nest and
The Bill.
For
those Cult TV fans amongst you, Carol also appeared as
Kerril in an episode of the classic space adventure Blake's 7.
These days, Carol spends some time in Spain but pops back to
Britain from time to time and can be seen occasionally
happily signing and talking with fans at memorabilia
conventions as well as in the sporadic appearance on TV.
Carol kindly agreed to chat with Digger at www.retrosellers.com
Carol
Hawkins
I ask Carol
who inspired her to become an actress. "Nobody
really. I hated being told what to do and that probably
had the greatest influence on my 'choice' of career. If I
liked anyone, it was Hayley Mills. I wanted to look like
her and be like her." Carol grew-up in a
working-class family in Barnet. "I wasn't great at
school. In fact, I wasn't even put forward for the 11-Plus
exams." Her head teacher made the astute observation
that "Whatever she wants to do, she'll do",
recognising Carol's strong-mindedness and
determination. "My mother sent me to the Pitman
college and I tried my hand as a shorthand typist, which I
hated. I also tried modelling but I wasn't the right
shape. I then got a couple of walk-on parts on TV and so
was able to join drama school. I was there with people like
Robin Asquith and Frazer Hines. I'd been at drama school
for about a year, when I went for an audition for the, by
now very successful, TV series Please Sir! Penny
Spencer had left the show and they were looking for a
replacement for Sharon. I was blonde and Penny was dark,
but I dressed as I thought Sharon should dress and
somehow out of 100's of girls I got called back to try out
for the part. I met John Esmonde and Bob Larbey, the
writers of the show and they asked me to read for them.
Somehow I made them laugh and I got the part!"
Although the series was hugely successful at the time,
Carol says "I was in a role, and on a roll, as it
were" and somehow the scale of her success didn't
seem as large then as it does now in retrospect. "And
if the show was a success today and I was as famous now as
I was then I'd be a millionaire. It's like my Dad, Don
Hawkins, who played for years for Barnet football club. He
hardly made a penny out of it. These days he'd be earning
a fortune."
What are
Carol's happiest memories of Please Sir!? "It was a
great time. I was accepted very quickly, by both the
viewers and the cast. There was a lot of adjustment needed
from the others in the show to me as the 'new Sharon', but
they did it well and helped me a lot. I was terrified. It
was very traumatic that first transmission in front of an
audience. I had to find my marks, find the lights, get my
lines and cues right and play the part. I felt under
enormous pressure. But it all worked out." Unlike
what the press would have us believe, rivalries amongst
actors and actresses are not that bad. "I had some
hot pants that I thought would look better on Sally Geeson
than on me, so I let her wear them during filming. It's a
myth that actors are often difficult. Most of them are
friendly and helpful, at least in my experience."

'Duffy
and Sharon'
Carol recently
made her first appearance at a collector's convention. It
was at the NEC and she says it went very well. Contemporaries
Sally Geeson, Jenny Hanley and Shirley Anne Field were all
there too, signing and meeting fans. Carol says "I was
amazed by the interest. These people knew more about me and
my career than I do. At one point, a policeman came up to me
and presented me with a huge Carry On poster which already
had a number of signatures on it and asked me to sign it
also. He asked me to put something on there about policemen.
Well, I had a quick think and wrote 'You're a little bit
short for a copper, mate', which fortunately he found
amusing."
I
ask Carol, about her involvement in the Carry On films and
how it felt, once again, to join an established
'ensemble'. "It was fantastic. The 'team' were all
generous and professional. Again I was nervous as hell but
they helped me settle. There were practically no rehearsals
but somehow it all came good. It didn't do for anyone to
come into the team and act grand as they'd soon be cut down
to size. I wasn't like that anyway, but I did see it happen.
I got on very well with Kenneth Williams who was basically a
naughty little boy! He had a great brain. He would often
give me 'lessons' in what words and phrases meant. He was
totally outrageous but, as long as you didn't let him phase
you and you gave as good as you got then he was great and
would just give a wry smile."

Please
Sir!
Carol says she
finds it difficult to describe herself, but, when pressed,
tells me that she's "a people person with a thirst for
information. I'm very private but also love to socialise
with people, so I suppose I'm a bit complex. Humane, a great
sense of humour, love of nature and of life, a person who
tries to be good but occasionally fails in this quest.
I am a person who is concerned about the detail.
I'm honest - too honest for my own good a lot of the time as
I expect other people to be the same as me. Also, because I
am so honest I tend to say things that other people wouldn't
reveal about themselves and so can shock people or make them
laugh."
Carol tells me
about her passion. " I have been interested in the
psychic and healing for a long time now and in fact that's
how I met my husband. We had a number of shops at one time
which specialised in the mind, body and spirit - for
example, Tarot and healing. I believe that we all have these powers - the
sixth sense or ability to predict or help others - they're
just more developed in some people. I could write a book on
it." I suggest that she does write a book and she
says she might if she gets the time. "I don't subscribe
to one religion - I believe in a little of all of them. And I do believe that what goes round comes around." Her
psychic passion she describes thus: "It's a living
and also a way of life."

What parts would
Carol have liked to have played that she didn't get?
"There aren't many. I don't really think like that, to
be honest. I suppose I would have liked to have
been in Upstairs Downstairs. I did do a spoof of that in one
of the Carry Ons." Does Carol see herself as anything
like any of the characters she has played? "Well, I'm
nothing like Sharon in Please Sir! She had a sexy image
whereas I tend to cover-up a bit! I suppose if I was like
any of them, it was Mary Smith in Run For Your Wife - she
spoke her mind and got cross with the rest of the cast as a
result of the farcical misunderstandings. " What make Carol cross? " Abuse to animals. I
can't bear it. I have four dogs and love them a lot and
can't bear the idea of cruelty to animals." And what
makes her laugh? "Dogs, people, myself when I say or do
daft things, which is very often!"
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Sally
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Kenneth
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Roy
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Ronnie
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Is
Carol nostalgic? "Yes, I am but I also look forward.
You have to have a reminder of where you have come from in
order to know where you're going." Carol reminisces
on her love of Biba, the iconic west London store
from the 60s and 70s. "I had pink Biba boots and a
whole house kitted-out in Biba lampshades, wallpaper,
bedspreads and so on. It was exciting and different and I
loved that store and the items they sold." I
tell Carol that she should have held on to her Biba items,
even the empty cosmetic containers as they'd be quite
valuable these days and she expresses her amazement.
How does she
relax? "Walking, gardening and painting. I don't paint
'normally', that is I paint people with no eyes, no ears and
no noses. Just a mouth. It's a naive and simple style,
rather reflective of me. Children seem to like the
paintings. Some of my work was put forward by the Daily Mail
in a celebrity art contest and their critic loved my work
but Harry Secombe's beat me to a prize." Music is
another relaxation for Carol. "Native American music,
Motown, Pink Floyd, The Who, The Beatles, Crosby Stills and
Nash, Procol Harum - they are all favourites of mine."

Carol shares her
time between the UK and Spain these days and is 'doing-up'
her house in Spain which is a major exercise but one she is
finding very rewarding. "I love Spain, the people and
the language. I love the sun and the heat. It's an old
farmhouse in 'el campo' and I'm designing the interior as
well as the huge garden, which has trees, palms and
oleander plants mostly set amongst gravel.
I ask Carol to
say a few words about some of the many great comedy actors
she has worked with......
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Sid James -
"A lovely person. I didn't have a lot of dialogue
with him on screen. He was, like me, a private
person but also very sociable."
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Kenneth
Williams - "He and I got on very well. He loved teaching me
things and was a loveable rogue."
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John
Alderton - "Very professional, serious about his
work. He knew where he should be all the time in terms
of script, character, timing and set location."
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Peter Cleall
- "A serious person but great fun."
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Deryk Guyler
- "A real gent."
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Terry Scott
- "Great to work with."
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Sally Geeson
- "Wonderful. We are now friends. Not a bad bone in
her body."
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Maureen
Lipman - "I worked a lot with her and we got on
well."
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Derek Nimmo
- "Eccentric, of course. And very kind. When Martin and I got married, Derek
wouldn't let us use a taxi to the registry office. He
insisted that we use his Rolls Royce and chauffeur,
complete with champagne in the back!!!!"
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Roy Kinnear
- "A scream! A naughty person who made me laugh.
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Ronnie
Barker - "When I appeared in Porridge, he taught me
how to time a line to get the laugh. Although I wasn't
sure it would work, his was good advice and the laughs
came just as he said they would. I was reading one of
the scripts and it made absolutely no sense to me.
Ronnie told me to just say what I read. It was the M.N.X.
sketch, so I said what I saw and M.N.X. was 'Ham And
Eggs' in a German accent and it suddenly made sense! I also appeared in the Phantom
Raspberry Blower Of Old London Town with Ronnie which
was great fun.

Carry
On Abroad with Carol centre between Sid James and Joan Sims
Carol laughs
throughout our interview as she remembers things and as we
chat about her comedic roles and partners. I tell her my
favourite bit from Porridge, which is where Fletcher and
Godber are in their cell and Fletcher is doing the Sun
crossword...... "It can be found at the bottom of bird
cages. Four letters, ending in 'it'...", says Fletcher.
Godber thinks for a second...... "Grit...", he
confidently suggests. "Oh yeah..." says Fletcher.
"......have you got a rubber?" Carol
howls with laughter at that one. She has an infectious laugh
which comes right from her core. What makes good comedy then
Carol? "I don't think comedy can be analysed, it's either
funny or it's not." Carol explains that in a lot of
sketches and scenes you can see where she is just about to
crack-up.
What is Carol
most proud of? "Playing Mary Smith in Run For Your
Wife. Ida in See How They Run. And Susan in Wait Until Dark
- I had to play a blind woman in that role and it was very
hard pretending to be blind when one could see. I had spent
about two weeks walking around with my eyes closed trying to
get an idea of what blindness would be like, but playing the
part with my eyes open was a challenge." I can't talk
to Carol without asking her about her appearance in the cult
TV show Blake's Seven. "I played Kerrill in one episode
- The City At
The Edge Of The World. I was voted the best
female guest artist, which was rather flattering."
What is keeping
Carol occupied these days and what does she have lined-up
for the future? "Oh, I am taking time-out for a bit of
thinking time. And this Spanish house is like a Tardis with
large rooms and demands most of my attention so I
am busy tarting that up. I'm sure I'll be appearing at
another collector's convention again before long though."
I
would like to thank Carol Hawkins and Andy Whitehead for their
kind cooperation with this interview.
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Carol Hawkins interview.
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